<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: An Eye On The City: The Detective Figure in Benjamin, Kracauer and Jameson.</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:11:22 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Allan Bertelsen</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Allan Bertelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-3</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;First, I enjoyed finally reading this essay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. After having read it, I couldn&#8217;t help but think how interesting it would have been to see you develop Foucault&#8217;s notion of &#8216;panopiticon&#8217; vis-&#224;-vis the detective (as an instrument of governmentality) at greater length.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. There is a fantastic article that I came across while researching&#8211;and thereafter writing&#8211;my paper on death and representation of dead american soldiers. The article is entitled: &quot;Evidence, Truth and Order: A Means of Surveillance&quot; from John Tagg&#8217;s book &#8216;The Burden of Representation.&#8217;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Though Jameson might provide a notion of detachment that is uniquely American with respect to literature, Baudrillard echoes this concept&#8211;especially vis-a-vis capitalism and culture&#8211;in much of his work. When you use deliver phrases like: &quot;what remains is a ghost of a memory,&quot; I cannot help but think of simulation and simulacra and this might provide interesting tangents to those elements that which you have alluded to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. Lastly, after having recently seen Farenheit 9/11 it is interesting to think of Michael Moore through this figure of the postmodern detective. Of course, your arguments about conspiracy resound well in this doc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the perspective of the detective figure as an ethical individual, I wonder, with the myriad changes that distinguish the modern figure from the postmodern one, whether or not it could be said that the new (hence postmodern) figure of the detective is also marked by an ethical change. For instance, with Michael Moore we have a documentary film who has created a diatribe against Bush and his administration. The detective figure is not far behind. The promotional poster features Moore holding an envelop, that suggests that he has done some important and intriguing sleuthing of his own and now wants to share it the public. This ethical change, however, comes in the form of the detective/filmmakers&#8217; representation of their findings. Even though I think one would be hard-pressed to find
anyone of us who would defend the Bush administration against falsehoods, we know that Moore has a tendency to bend the truth, play with the chronology of events, etc. Though, considering both the danger of Bush and the important political role this film could play, I see nothing wrong with Moore fighting fire with fire&#8211;that is with fibbing or fudging while (re)presenting of an administration that has countlessly done the same to the American people. Nevertheless, this infidelity for the sake of justice is an interesting idea, one that broaches the notion of complicity, detachment, etc. In short, I wonder whether it could be said that the postmodern figure of the detective is one that is also an ethical maverick of sorts, a schizophrenic law figure if you will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I enjoyed finally reading this essay.</p>
<p>1. After having read it, I couldn&rsquo;t help but think how interesting it would have been to see you develop Foucault&rsquo;s notion of &lsquo;panopiticon&rsquo; vis-&agrave;-vis the detective (as an instrument of governmentality) at greater length.</p>
<p>2. There is a fantastic article that I came across while researching&ndash;and thereafter writing&ndash;my paper on death and representation of dead american soldiers. The article is entitled: &quot;Evidence, Truth and Order: A Means of Surveillance&quot; from John Tagg&rsquo;s book &lsquo;The Burden of Representation.&rsquo;</p>
<p>3. Though Jameson might provide a notion of detachment that is uniquely American with respect to literature, Baudrillard echoes this concept&ndash;especially vis-a-vis capitalism and culture&ndash;in much of his work. When you use deliver phrases like: &quot;what remains is a ghost of a memory,&quot; I cannot help but think of simulation and simulacra and this might provide interesting tangents to those elements that which you have alluded to.</p>
<p>4. Lastly, after having recently seen Farenheit 9/11 it is interesting to think of Michael Moore through this figure of the postmodern detective. Of course, your arguments about conspiracy resound well in this doc.</p>
<p>From the perspective of the detective figure as an ethical individual, I wonder, with the myriad changes that distinguish the modern figure from the postmodern one, whether or not it could be said that the new (hence postmodern) figure of the detective is also marked by an ethical change. For instance, with Michael Moore we have a documentary film who has created a diatribe against Bush and his administration. The detective figure is not far behind. The promotional poster features Moore holding an envelop, that suggests that he has done some important and intriguing sleuthing of his own and now wants to share it the public. This ethical change, however, comes in the form of the detective/filmmakers&rsquo; representation of their findings. Even though I think one would be hard-pressed to find<br />
anyone of us who would defend the Bush administration against falsehoods, we know that Moore has a tendency to bend the truth, play with the chronology of events, etc. Though, considering both the danger of Bush and the important political role this film could play, I see nothing wrong with Moore fighting fire with fire&ndash;that is with fibbing or fudging while (re)presenting of an administration that has countlessly done the same to the American people. Nevertheless, this infidelity for the sake of justice is an interesting idea, one that broaches the notion of complicity, detachment, etc. In short, I wonder whether it could be said that the postmodern figure of the detective is one that is also an ethical maverick of sorts, a schizophrenic law figure if you will.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Risa</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-4</guid>
		<description>Aside from the figure, there was something more about the gaze that I wanted to get at in this essay. Something about the rhizomatic structuring of ethics- the linaments of its complexity- that becomes apparent under the pressure of the multiplicity of gazes and their desires. &lt;br /&gt;
In the panopticon we are all forced to look at each other. In the rhizome we make strange routes through the mass of things possible-to-be-seen and build structures of fact and narrative. All we can do with these is circulate them and see how they stand up, over time, to the slings and arrows of factions armed with their own research and detection. &lt;br /&gt;
I think we need as many detectives as possible looking and conversing and negotiating truth. Scientists in the US have reached the point of public accusations of censorship against the current administration. Sixty of the country&#039;s most accomplished scientists, including twety Nobel laureates issued a report last Feb. entitled &quot;Scientific Integrity in Policymaking&quot;- check Harpers May2004&lt;br /&gt;
Clearly in Canada we are not immune to monopolistic control of knowledge- look at the information emerging now regarding the cover-ups that seem to have characterized Chretien&#039;s era. (Quebec and Hong Kong) &lt;br /&gt;
I like to stay away from the notion of simulacra because I find it confusing and fuzzy. Rereading my own phrasing I can&#039;t say that what I wrote is any clearer. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;The conspiracy text inherits the ideological connection between the seeker of knowledge and the camera. But the idea of an otherness, an interiority that could be brought meaningfully to light has past and what remains is a ghost of a memory.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I want to say about the enfolding of surfaces, and the increasing incorporation of camera logic into our lives, is that it has the potential to adapt the modern/postmodern agnst of un-know-ablity and isolation - the &quot;nobody gets me&quot; wail- to managable dimensions by providing an awareness of relativity. The ghost of a memory is the trace that is left- the this-ness that is all our uniqueness- once we see ourselves reflected everywhere. And when it has been reduced in size and imporance, it can take a proportionally relevant place in the ongoing, pragmatic reality of truth discovery and construction.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the figure, there was something more about the gaze that I wanted to get at in this essay. Something about the rhizomatic structuring of ethics- the linaments of its complexity- that becomes apparent under the pressure of the multiplicity of gazes and their desires. <br />
In the panopticon we are all forced to look at each other. In the rhizome we make strange routes through the mass of things possible-to-be-seen and build structures of fact and narrative. All we can do with these is circulate them and see how they stand up, over time, to the slings and arrows of factions armed with their own research and detection. <br />
I think we need as many detectives as possible looking and conversing and negotiating truth. Scientists in the US have reached the point of public accusations of censorship against the current administration. Sixty of the country&#8217;s most accomplished scientists, including twety Nobel laureates issued a report last Feb. entitled &quot;Scientific Integrity in Policymaking&quot;- check Harpers May2004<br />
Clearly in Canada we are not immune to monopolistic control of knowledge- look at the information emerging now regarding the cover-ups that seem to have characterized Chretien&#8217;s era. (Quebec and Hong Kong) <br />
I like to stay away from the notion of simulacra because I find it confusing and fuzzy. Rereading my own phrasing I can&#8217;t say that what I wrote is any clearer. </p>
<p>&quot;The conspiracy text inherits the ideological connection between the seeker of knowledge and the camera. But the idea of an otherness, an interiority that could be brought meaningfully to light has past and what remains is a ghost of a memory.&quot;</p>
<p>What I want to say about the enfolding of surfaces, and the increasing incorporation of camera logic into our lives, is that it has the potential to adapt the modern/postmodern agnst of un-know-ablity and isolation &#8211; the &quot;nobody gets me&quot; wail- to managable dimensions by providing an awareness of relativity. The ghost of a memory is the trace that is left- the this-ness that is all our uniqueness- once we see ourselves reflected everywhere. And when it has been reduced in size and imporance, it can take a proportionally relevant place in the ongoing, pragmatic reality of truth discovery and construction.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Bertelsen</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Bertelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-5</guid>
		<description>Your essay was an excellent map, and it got me thinking about the intersection between ethics and the investigative gaze. All I can say is: if you&#039;ll be Sherlock, I&#039;ll be your Watson and coordination will be our sturdy bridge.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your essay was an excellent map, and it got me thinking about the intersection between ethics and the investigative gaze. All I can say is: if you&#8217;ll be Sherlock, I&#8217;ll be your Watson and coordination will be our sturdy bridge.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: propergandist</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>propergandist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-6</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[b]&quot;Because the theorist&#8217;s work is, in some ways, so like the detective&#8217;s, the theorists see themselves in him and their conception of him casts light on their struggle to understand the role they play in society. The sleuth is an allegory, a symbol to be read, but he is also the reader of symbols.&quot;[/b]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First off, something keeps me coming back to this essay: &#8216;Just when I thought I was out&#8211;they pulled me back in!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Second&#8211;and more importantly&#8211;I think that, while this essay is a useful map in many ways, it is nevertheless important for us to draw greater attention to the analogy between the detective and theorist. Though the analogy can work on many levels, in the end there is nevertheless a salient and decisive difference between the two. I couldn&#8217;t put my finger on until I came across an article written by Massimo Bonfantino and Giampaolo Proni appositely entitled &quot;To Guess or Not to Guess?&quot; They zero on this distinction by reminding us that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[b]&quot;A detective is a riddle-solver [Holmes being the best example of this], not an interpreter of &quot;opaque&quot; facts. His art of abduction must thus belong to [i]puzzle-solving,[/i] not to [i]hermeneutics.[/i] Puzzle-solving, like detective work; calls for keen observation and encyclopedic knowledge in order to have at one&#8217;s fingertips [i]the finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue-fitting possible hypothetical solutions.[/i]&quot;[/b]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whereas the process of abduction&#8211;that which is the difficult task of the theorist who creates (i.e.: contributes by dint of an interpretative leap an new conclusion to that which, prior to the theorist&#8217;s labour, was not understood)&#8211;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[b]&quot;[&#8230;] consists in the attribution to the subject of the investigation, identified in the premise expressing the &quot;result,&quot; [(that which is the result of whatever action, event or process and which serves as the evidence the theorist has to work with)] of the characteristics expressed in the protasis or antecedent of the major premise or rule. [&#8230;] [thus], the degree of novelty of an abductive conclusion depends on the tenor of the major premise, then clearly the inventiveness, discovery potential, or creativity of abductive reasoning lies not in the inference but in the [i]interpretation[/i] of the datum or &quot;result,&quot; which is regarded as a particular occurence of the typical consequence of a law or general principle. In other words, the heuristic process that gives rise to abduction has the datum as its starting point.&quot;[/b]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore, when you say that &quot;the detective is a liminal figure whose gaze has both a witnessing and an ordering power,&quot; I found it useful, to delve into and flesh out the particularity of this &#8216;ordering&#8217; and the salient distinction of this process when enacted by the detective on the one hand and by the theorist on the other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bonfantino, Massimo, and Giampaolo Proni. &quot;To Guess or Not to Guess?&quot; The Sign of Three. Eds. Umberto Eco and Thomas Sebeok. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1983. pp. 119-34.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[b]&quot;Because the theorist&rsquo;s work is, in some ways, so like the detective&rsquo;s, the theorists see themselves in him and their conception of him casts light on their struggle to understand the role they play in society. The sleuth is an allegory, a symbol to be read, but he is also the reader of symbols.&quot;[/b]</p>
<p>First off, something keeps me coming back to this essay: &lsquo;Just when I thought I was out&ndash;they pulled me back in!&quot;<br />
Second&ndash;and more importantly&ndash;I think that, while this essay is a useful map in many ways, it is nevertheless important for us to draw greater attention to the analogy between the detective and theorist. Though the analogy can work on many levels, in the end there is nevertheless a salient and decisive difference between the two. I couldn&rsquo;t put my finger on until I came across an article written by Massimo Bonfantino and Giampaolo Proni appositely entitled &quot;To Guess or Not to Guess?&quot; They zero on this distinction by reminding us that:</p>
<p>[b]&quot;A detective is a riddle-solver [Holmes being the best example of this], not an interpreter of &quot;opaque&quot; facts. His art of abduction must thus belong to [i]puzzle-solving,[/i] not to [i]hermeneutics.[/i] Puzzle-solving, like detective work; calls for keen observation and encyclopedic knowledge in order to have at one&rsquo;s fingertips [i]the finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue-fitting possible hypothetical solutions.[/i]&quot;[/b]</p>
<p>Whereas the process of abduction&ndash;that which is the difficult task of the theorist who creates (i.e.: contributes by dint of an interpretative leap an new conclusion to that which, prior to the theorist&rsquo;s labour, was not understood)&ndash;:</p>
<p>[b]&quot;[&hellip;] consists in the attribution to the subject of the investigation, identified in the premise expressing the &quot;result,&quot; [(that which is the result of whatever action, event or process and which serves as the evidence the theorist has to work with)] of the characteristics expressed in the protasis or antecedent of the major premise or rule. [&hellip;] [thus], the degree of novelty of an abductive conclusion depends on the tenor of the major premise, then clearly the inventiveness, discovery potential, or creativity of abductive reasoning lies not in the inference but in the [i]interpretation[/i] of the datum or &quot;result,&quot; which is regarded as a particular occurence of the typical consequence of a law or general principle. In other words, the heuristic process that gives rise to abduction has the datum as its starting point.&quot;[/b]</p>
<p>Therefore, when you say that &quot;the detective is a liminal figure whose gaze has both a witnessing and an ordering power,&quot; I found it useful, to delve into and flesh out the particularity of this &lsquo;ordering&rsquo; and the salient distinction of this process when enacted by the detective on the one hand and by the theorist on the other.</p>
<p>Bonfantino, Massimo, and Giampaolo Proni. &quot;To Guess or Not to Guess?&quot; The Sign of Three. Eds. Umberto Eco and Thomas Sebeok. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1983. pp. 119-34.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: risa</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-7</guid>
		<description>the detective finds the specific and infers, and the theorist generalizes from inferences based on specifics to create knowledge... (just trying to restate this in words i understand)..&lt;br /&gt;
the detective finds evidence and infers the formula- the events as they must have unfolded over time. the detective deals with the emegent properties of complex human relations: love and hate and fear and the actions that they motivate, and the marks we leave on the world when we brush up against it.&lt;br /&gt;
the theorist deals with a secondary layer of truths and her/his work is less like hypothesizing formulas or solving riddles and more like making interpretations: new metaphors. theorists are poets.&lt;br /&gt;
but what i was trying to untangle (in my messy way) in this essay was the detective figure as he opperates not in fiction but in the theoretical work of Jameson, Kracauer and Benjamin (you know this, i&#039;m just restating it for myself. it seems clearer to me now than it did then). This detective figure is a different being because they (those sweet old theorizing white men) make the detective over in the light and language of their world- a world which they see through their own powerful metaphors. So, as he appears in the secondary texts, the detective is reading the material world and interpreting events and action but his intentionality is changed because he is authored by a poet(theorist) instead of a fictionalist- by Benjamin instead of Conan Doyle. While he is in their hands his gaze is multiple- he has his own gaze, and a secondary awareness of the authoring gaze- conan doyles- produced by his new existence beyond the boundaries of his authoritative text. The theorist looks at this matrix with his own life and place and time and sees in him and through him- detective figure- an epic metaphor for a modern or postmodern experience of reality. a metaphor for themselves in their world.  &lt;br /&gt;
the intensity of human uniqueness, our unpredictablity, is the constant truth of good fiction in whatever form. the fictional detective insists that within the swirl of possible truths there is one thread that left a mark in the world and in the minds of the people connected to it- there is objective truth. this is limited- holmes solves personal mysteries: plots between families and lovers (even when those small plots play themselves out on an international scale). &lt;br /&gt;
 In postmodern fiction the limitations of detection are explored until the seeker finds the edge of chaos- the end of their world, the fact of their own boundedness by fiction-  the crying of lot 49, New York Trilogy. the detective changes under this heuristic catastrophe- when you can&#039;t find the obvious and necessary answer to the evidence because the evidence in endless and endlessly interconnected, then the line between your stumbling, riddle-solving self and the interpreting, genralizing theorist blurs. because you both need metaphors; some way to shape a pattern and begin to find your orientation. and you need a more complex metaphor than orientalizing binaries. &lt;br /&gt;
(Post)modern theory expands to encompass novelty as it emerges in representation- we imagine, in Martin Amis&#039; London Fields for example, the implications of this new recombinant figure; the detective-author, and then try to understand how and what we have created, and thus build layers upon layers of knowledge about what we are. we negotiate with the emergent dimensions of non-material but real connections between humans. i think postmodernism only takes us so far- it is a traumatized first attempt to deal with reality after the phase transition of world war, mass genocide and world-destroying weaponry. after the heart-broken death of poets and theorists.&lt;br /&gt;
 now we have emergent fiction and emergent theory- and they speak of other possible dimensions of this new space and time. if we (theorists) decide to look at our work and world through the detective figure now, we weave ourselves and our ideas about truth through the dimensions established already by these layers of authors. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
and .. so what? i guess i&#039;m interested in the evolution of complex tools- in how, whether they are conceptual or concrete, the development of useful complex tools is always distributed across space and time, always directed by personal choice and interest. there is always a core of people who spent time together thinking and working and who then continued that work for themselves, on their own. and there are always people who connect with those ideas in some later time, who pick them up and pass them around and rediscover and rework them from their own starting point. this is open source collaboration. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
hammering out this idea in response to your (very interesting and challenging) insertion has produced a new piece of my thesis argument. these pieces are induced by dialogue- and there are earlier pieces of this dialogue in the ccp blog from when we read a piece by nielsen about theory and poetry- there are pieces of evidence produced by exchange, and later i&#039;ll  come along as detective-self to find the crucial bits and to order them. 
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the detective finds the specific and infers, and the theorist generalizes from inferences based on specifics to create knowledge&#8230; (just trying to restate this in words i understand)..<br />
the detective finds evidence and infers the formula- the events as they must have unfolded over time. the detective deals with the emegent properties of complex human relations: love and hate and fear and the actions that they motivate, and the marks we leave on the world when we brush up against it.<br />
the theorist deals with a secondary layer of truths and her/his work is less like hypothesizing formulas or solving riddles and more like making interpretations: new metaphors. theorists are poets.<br />
but what i was trying to untangle (in my messy way) in this essay was the detective figure as he opperates not in fiction but in the theoretical work of Jameson, Kracauer and Benjamin (you know this, i&#8217;m just restating it for myself. it seems clearer to me now than it did then). This detective figure is a different being because they (those sweet old theorizing white men) make the detective over in the light and language of their world- a world which they see through their own powerful metaphors. So, as he appears in the secondary texts, the detective is reading the material world and interpreting events and action but his intentionality is changed because he is authored by a poet(theorist) instead of a fictionalist- by Benjamin instead of Conan Doyle. While he is in their hands his gaze is multiple- he has his own gaze, and a secondary awareness of the authoring gaze- conan doyles- produced by his new existence beyond the boundaries of his authoritative text. The theorist looks at this matrix with his own life and place and time and sees in him and through him- detective figure- an epic metaphor for a modern or postmodern experience of reality. a metaphor for themselves in their world.  <br />
the intensity of human uniqueness, our unpredictablity, is the constant truth of good fiction in whatever form. the fictional detective insists that within the swirl of possible truths there is one thread that left a mark in the world and in the minds of the people connected to it- there is objective truth. this is limited- holmes solves personal mysteries: plots between families and lovers (even when those small plots play themselves out on an international scale). <br />
 In postmodern fiction the limitations of detection are explored until the seeker finds the edge of chaos- the end of their world, the fact of their own boundedness by fiction-  the crying of lot 49, New York Trilogy. the detective changes under this heuristic catastrophe- when you can&#8217;t find the obvious and necessary answer to the evidence because the evidence in endless and endlessly interconnected, then the line between your stumbling, riddle-solving self and the interpreting, genralizing theorist blurs. because you both need metaphors; some way to shape a pattern and begin to find your orientation. and you need a more complex metaphor than orientalizing binaries. <br />
(Post)modern theory expands to encompass novelty as it emerges in representation- we imagine, in Martin Amis&#8217; London Fields for example, the implications of this new recombinant figure; the detective-author, and then try to understand how and what we have created, and thus build layers upon layers of knowledge about what we are. we negotiate with the emergent dimensions of non-material but real connections between humans. i think postmodernism only takes us so far- it is a traumatized first attempt to deal with reality after the phase transition of world war, mass genocide and world-destroying weaponry. after the heart-broken death of poets and theorists.<br />
 now we have emergent fiction and emergent theory- and they speak of other possible dimensions of this new space and time. if we (theorists) decide to look at our work and world through the detective figure now, we weave ourselves and our ideas about truth through the dimensions established already by these layers of authors. </p>
<p>and .. so what? i guess i&#8217;m interested in the evolution of complex tools- in how, whether they are conceptual or concrete, the development of useful complex tools is always distributed across space and time, always directed by personal choice and interest. there is always a core of people who spent time together thinking and working and who then continued that work for themselves, on their own. and there are always people who connect with those ideas in some later time, who pick them up and pass them around and rediscover and rework them from their own starting point. this is open source collaboration. </p>
<p>hammering out this idea in response to your (very interesting and challenging) insertion has produced a new piece of my thesis argument. these pieces are induced by dialogue- and there are earlier pieces of this dialogue in the ccp blog from when we read a piece by nielsen about theory and poetry- there are pieces of evidence produced by exchange, and later i&#8217;ll  come along as detective-self to find the crucial bits and to order them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: risa</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-8</guid>
		<description>reconsidering that quote and i found something in bunge that clarifies for me why i feel there are deep weaknesses in, at least this selective excerpt of, the Bonfantino and Proni essay:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Logic and semantics explain why we cannot proceed from observable trajectories to laws (inverse problem), but must proceed the other way round (direct problem). The logical reason is that valid (deductive) reasoning goes from the general to the particular, not the other way around. The semantic reason is that the high-level concepts occuring in the high-level laws - such as those of mass, energy, anomie, price elasticity, and popular participation- do not occur in the data relevant to them, or even in the low-level generalizations related to them. &lt;br /&gt;
The hermeneutist does not seem to realize this elementary methodological point. indeed he believes he can jump safely from observable behavior to the wishes or intentions behind it. By contrast, the rational-choice theorist seems to realize that point, since he claims to be able to deduce behavior from the alleged universal law about maximizing expected utilities. In other words, whereas the hermeneutist claims to be able to discover causes from their effects, the rational choice theorist claims that he knows a priori the putative mother of all effects, namely self-interest.&lt;br /&gt;
(...) Neither the rational choice theorist nor the hermeneuticist succeeds in explaining the behavior of social wholes (systems) on the basis of imagined individual proclivities (or preferences) and intentions (or goals). They fail in this task because they refuse to admit the very existence of social systems and are therefore bound to overlook the social mechanisms (processes) that make a system tick.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
emergence and convergence p208
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reconsidering that quote and i found something in bunge that clarifies for me why i feel there are deep weaknesses in, at least this selective excerpt of, the Bonfantino and Proni essay:</p>
<p>&quot;Logic and semantics explain why we cannot proceed from observable trajectories to laws (inverse problem), but must proceed the other way round (direct problem). The logical reason is that valid (deductive) reasoning goes from the general to the particular, not the other way around. The semantic reason is that the high-level concepts occuring in the high-level laws &#8211; such as those of mass, energy, anomie, price elasticity, and popular participation- do not occur in the data relevant to them, or even in the low-level generalizations related to them. <br />
The hermeneutist does not seem to realize this elementary methodological point. indeed he believes he can jump safely from observable behavior to the wishes or intentions behind it. By contrast, the rational-choice theorist seems to realize that point, since he claims to be able to deduce behavior from the alleged universal law about maximizing expected utilities. In other words, whereas the hermeneutist claims to be able to discover causes from their effects, the rational choice theorist claims that he knows a priori the putative mother of all effects, namely self-interest.<br />
(&#8230;) Neither the rational choice theorist nor the hermeneuticist succeeds in explaining the behavior of social wholes (systems) on the basis of imagined individual proclivities (or preferences) and intentions (or goals). They fail in this task because they refuse to admit the very existence of social systems and are therefore bound to overlook the social mechanisms (processes) that make a system tick.&quot;<br />
emergence and convergence p208</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: risa</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-9</guid>
		<description>also- Is Holmes really trying to access &#039;the finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue-fitting possible hypothetical solutions.&#039; I&#039;m not sure.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also- Is Holmes really trying to access &#8216;the finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue-fitting possible hypothetical solutions.&#8217; I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: r</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-10</guid>
		<description>still thinking about this- and the thing is i think it&#039;s a balancing act in time between seeking the &#039;finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue fitting solutions&#039; and adjusting the realm of those solutions each time a new clue is discovered. and the process of clue finding is potentially infinite- this is the horrifying discovery in lot 49. proceeding from observable trajectories gets us to stories that include assumtions bc we build general justifications for what we see. deductive reasoning goes from the general to the particular, but we get the general by accumulated acts and analysis of the particular. so the task of the detective is, like that of the modern poet, and of the theorist, &quot;the act of finding what will suffice.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;it has to be living, to learn the speech of the place.&lt;br /&gt;
it has to face the men of the time and to meet&lt;br /&gt;
the women of the time. it has to think about war&lt;br /&gt;
and it has to find what will suffice.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
wallace stevens- of modern poetry
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still thinking about this- and the thing is i think it&#8217;s a balancing act in time between seeking the &#8216;finite and predetermined set of immediate and clue fitting solutions&#8217; and adjusting the realm of those solutions each time a new clue is discovered. and the process of clue finding is potentially infinite- this is the horrifying discovery in lot 49. proceeding from observable trajectories gets us to stories that include assumtions bc we build general justifications for what we see. deductive reasoning goes from the general to the particular, but we get the general by accumulated acts and analysis of the particular. so the task of the detective is, like that of the modern poet, and of the theorist, &quot;the act of finding what will suffice.&quot;<br />
&quot;it has to be living, to learn the speech of the place.<br />
it has to face the men of the time and to meet<br />
the women of the time. it has to think about war<br />
and it has to find what will suffice.&quot;<br />
wallace stevens- of modern poetry</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: christian Bertelsen</title>
		<link>http://www.openjournalmontreal.com/an-eye-on-the-city-the-detective-figure-in-benjamin-kracauer-and-jameson/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>christian Bertelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=8#comment-11</guid>
		<description>now i am just curious where my two posts (previous to your last) went--there are ellipses amid this thread...
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now i am just curious where my two posts (previous to your last) went&#8211;there are ellipses amid this thread&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

