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The Principles of a Start-Up: Part 4 of Open’s Interview with BillMonk  by risa

the BillMonk

(want to read parts 1, 2, and 3 first?)

Last question for the BillMonk, for now:

How do the ideas behind BillMonk relate to open source?
First, it’s worth noting a literal answer. BillMonk is built using entirely open-source components. Debian GNU/Linux, Apache, Postgresql, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, etc… all lovely chunks of software, all open source. We heart the open source community, and are pondering releasing parts of our in-house technologies under an OSS license, like a Ruby client-side graphing library or a customer support queue management system.

The BillMonk idea involves a web of trust between friends, but I think that’s as far as I’d go towards linking it to open source ideas. We do hope to launch web services soon, which “liberates” your information so it’s not just controlled by just our application, e.g. if you want to write a better Java app to enter your bills, more power to you. Again, that only really skims the surface of what it means to be Open.

Our general approach has been informed by the open source movement, but more because it’s just what makes sense for growth. Be zero-cost so you can spread; trust that good ideas spread on their own merits; try to be transparent to establish trust (the “Audit” section of a bill; our fairly candid responses to user contacts); make one tool that solves one thing well (that’s more of a Unix-think reclaimed by Web 2.0).

I’m afraid I don’t really have a great answer to your question, sorry. Feel free to follow up!

end of interview.

I think this is a pretty great answer, actually, it hits on a bunch of the features of the technological pragmatism that makes open source successful in a viral kind of way. I held on to this question for a while, rolling over what all I’d think of following up on, but I’d also been thesising hard all week and my brain’s a bit fried. ..

I do, however, think there’s also something suggestive, for a wider thinking about open source, in the way BillMonk pools and makes visible social currency moving through your networks. It is, as Chuck mentionned in answer to an earlier question, like getting new knowledge about how you are in the world. And of course, access to the lineaments of complex knowledge, the systems behind the surfaces of what Stanley Deetz calls the “apparently transparent” is rooted in the hacker ethic upon which open source is premised. Here’s a dusty old list of beautiful priciples from Steven Levy’s famous book, in case you needed a refresher course in the history of hacker philosophy:

  • Access to computers—and anything which might teach you something about the way the world works—should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the Hands-on Imperative!
  • All information should be free.
  • Mistrust authority—promote decentralizatioin.
  • Hackers should be judged by their hacking, not bogus criteria such as degrees, age, race or position.
  • You can create art and beauty on a computer.
  • Computers can change your life for the better.
  • The math tools BillMonk gives away for free with registration are potentially empowering, and the tools BillMonk is open sourcing are cool and will continue to be pragmatic and useful. If and when they are in fact open sourced, releasing the source code could be a sly and modern viral marketing move, drawing more grateful people to their sites. The knowledge that giving good things away and being transparent can bring viral success is, as Chuck mentions, something that’s become undeniable in the face of open source. Which is great, because that moment before you give your great stuff away and hope for the best is a scary one- it’s sort of like sending your best piece of writing off to editors to see if they’ll take it, only bigger.

    It will be interesting to see how this new generation of Web2.0 programs will be licensed, and how different people will challenge and compromise with open source principles in the face of new political and technological contexts. In a warring time the trust between interactants is decreased and it becomes more difficult for open networks to form. With many international, trust-based networks in place, however, it may be more difficult for demagogues to generate the kinds of distrust that culminate in war. I apologize for pulling this conversation about finance software and open source toward high drama topics like war. This is the larger thesis argument rearing its ugly head, and wondering about how and what open source interaction communicates. In one respect the future is clear- the fundamental building blocks of a site like BillMonk are open source and can only remain so.

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    2 Responses to “The Principles of a Start-Up: Part 4 of Open’s Interview with BillMonk”

    1. Chuck Groom Says:

      Thanks for this writeup, that’s a very interesting take. I aspire to the hacker philosophy!

      To follow-through on the vein of thought regarding trust networks that span national boundaries, I just had to point out that BillMonk now (2/15/06) supports multiple currencies, making it easy for you to owe dollars, euros, won, etc, We’re delighted to see people all over the world using our service, and also creating transactions outside their native currency.

    2. risa Says:

      thankschuck! that’s pretty cool. i saw techcrunch reccomending paypal hook up with billmonk to pay by phone, so that’s good, eh?

      the more i think about it, making it so users can cross polinate currencies must have been super math tricky. it reminds me of the hubris that decided to undertake unicode. .. though i imagine a lot of the work you guys had to do was putting relatively whole pieces together
      i wonder what kinds of crazy complex tasks people will build on the backs of all these new giants?

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